Bachelor Parties.. Lap Dance or Last Dance?
I had a marathon phone call with one of my chickitas last night. Apparently jealousy is rearing its ugly head in her "golly, gee, ain't it perfect" relationship. She's in a situation where her boyfriend went to the male bonding event, known to all XY creatures, as "The Bachelor Party". I have my definite views on this, but first let me fill y'all in, on what happened to my friend.
They've been having this lovey dovey relationship for a couple yrs now. Noone cheated, no World War 3 fights. Minor stuff and everyone was happy. Weddings have come and gone during that time, but neither of them really knew the brides or grooms. It always was a friend or a friend or some Aunty's kid that was getting hitched.
Now, one of their close friends (correction: one of HIS close friends) just got married. Here's where El Problemo started. He was invited and went to his friends Bachelor party. Seems innocent enough doesn't it?
She was okay with it at first. They have a pretty open, trusting relationship. But after he came home, thats when the onslaught of questions started. He thought since she's never been suspicious or accusing before, she'd be fine with the truth. He told her how everyone drank like a bunch of Frat boys, that later there were strippers and then..he admitted that he had a lap dance. Yes, a lap dance. He wasn't just viewing stripper booty, but interacting with it. Not good.
She flipped out. Not "Honey, you shouldn't have done that" flipping out..but "full on, get the cleaver, I'm gonna getcha getcha" flipping out. Now there relationship is hanging by a thread. They are no longer speaking and she's devastated. She swears that if he didn't go and she actually enforced it, they would still be like white on rice. Uh huh.
This leads me to the question..Should Bachelor Parties be allowed or not, once you're in a Commited Relationship? My opinion..well, I'm really liberal. I would and have allowed past boyfriends to go to Bachelor Parties. I understand, this is a time for guys to hang out, for one last hoorah. And if you do completely trust the man you're with, then you shouldn't be worried all night, wondering what or whom he's doing. Right?
But this, like all relationship issues, is NOT black or white. No matter how much the girl or guy say they trust the other person..there are always limits. Even for myself. I think when situations arise like this, they are truly the test of the relationship's survival. When you're in mushy "I love you, you love me" honeymoon mode, real feelings and what each person believes is acceptable or not, gets washed over. Noone usually talks about "what if" issues, unless something happens. And then its in your face..there's no escaping how you really feel. Emotions get amplified and noone wants to have a rational conversation. What if this or that happened is now reality. And the girl is usually plotting how to kill her boyfriend without getting caught.
To me, if you really love someone and are in a relationship..then that respect level should never be compromised. The little voice inside that makes you feel unsure if you're doing the right thing, should always be listened to. So if you don't know, 100% unequivably, that your girlfriend, Jane Doe, isn't going to be upset at you for having Sandy Stripper dry hump you..Don't do it. Its just that simple.But people just do things without thinking. The brain cells are on strike and it happens over and over again.
I don't think there would be such a problem with Bachelor Parties, if people just communicated. I'm talking about REAL communication. That means learning about each others wants beyond knowing what their favorite color is or if they prefer boxers or briefs. Talking about what the limits are to YOU, for your mans behavior (and vice versa). I'm not condoning what he did. But I think he assumed that since she was girl who never said anything negative about his behavior before, that she would be okay with this. Thats why assumptions are pretty darn lethal..and unless you hear "Its okay with me for you to do ___ or ____" its like walking into quick sand. You don't really know which of your assumptions is going to swallow you up!
Where are the limits of interacting with a female who's not your girlfriend? When does it slip into cheating? To some its a kiss, to others its flirting..and to my friend, her boyfriend cheated on her with that lap dance. Personally, I've always guaged my own behavior by thinking..what would I feel if he did that with another girl. If the answer is no, I don't do it. No matter if he will find out or not. Respect and trust is fragile. When you lose it, you truly will never get it back. Doubt has a weird way of setting up permanent shop in your mind.
People in relationships think they know each other, but when crap happens like this. Everything is blown outta the water. And you feel like the person you're with is a complete stranger. For my friend, those 2 years of feeling like they're on the same page has disappeared. And as for her boyfriend, he feels like he shouldn't have told her. (instead of thinking that he crossed the line).
Bachelor Parties are such a grey territory since there are usually strippers there. Guys in relationships are in a weird situation since is it wrong just to be there? Is it wrong to see another girl naked? Is it wrong to touch that naked girl? I'm sure if we took away the words Bachelor Party from this topic. I'd hear a consensual "Hell yes" to all those questions. Because people in commited relationships shouldn't do those things. But all of a sudden, you throw in a Bachelor Party context and its just Boys being Boys..being in a sexual situation with another woman is now acceptable. I think men validate going since they can easily say "Well, I didn't bring the strippers" or "Its not like I picked up some girl in a club & brought her home". But they dont' realize that to us women, you were sexual and felt sexual with someone who was NOT us. That on its own is why betrayal is felt.
But women on the other hand, we expect a lot from the guy we're with. And part of that is we expect you to be a mind reader. You should know what right and wrong is. We expect you to know that if you do A you will shatter our hearts, which will inevitably lead to B (breakup). We want to be the only ones who will ever turn you on, the only girl who you will look at and think "Thats Hot". We want to be the "Be all, and End all" for you. These expectations aren't completely fair, but its how most of us think. Women understand that men are visual creatures, but we still don't discount that as an excuse.
And as for the male friends who aren't in a relationship (eg this guys single friends at the Bachelor Party)..well, they add their own pressure. No man wants to look whipped to his friends. So if my friends boyfriend had declined the Bachelor Party offer using the "I have a girlfriend and there'll be strippers there" cop out..He wouldn't hear the end of it. No guy wants to lose face in front of his friends.
I get all this, but I also know that we as humans have choices. And if a man chooses to get into a relationship, he should respect it. That means making decisions where he looks at it from his AND her perspective. If you love someone, honor it. (..and that should go both ways)
So people, this is a complicated topic and I don't think its ever going to morph into an easy one. My little post here may have created more questions than answers:) But I do believe no-holds barred, honest communication is the only answer. So if you're reading this and are in a relationship, puuuh lease bring up the topic. At least you won't have lose the relationship on the basis of not communicating. And if you're single, like moi, consider how you would feel in a situation like this..so when you do find a man/woman that you will know where your personal limits are for them and yourself.
{ Bachelor Parties need not be the enemy. Just the strippers:) Why don't guys just go back to a safe activity like playing Scrabble. Noone ever lost a relationship over a boardgame:) Lol. }

17 Comments:
It is true that this presents a real gray area. However, a couple cannot prepare for each and every problem area right at the beginning. The first time this occurs they should sit down and talk rationally and clarify their positions. Each should make their feelings very clear. The next time this occurs, then there might be a problem. But in my opinion this isn't something to flip over about. True that the woman might be angry and upset over the whole thing, but it shouldn't be the cause of a breakup. Since this is the first time this has happened, it should be discussed, limits must now be established, rules to be defined and then put behind them. Should this happen again, then there might be a problem somewhere. One shouldn't breakup a relation ship over this.
The key to any relationship being able to get past such and more like these episodes is understanding. I never pull my boy frnd back when he wants to go to a strip club with his friends. However, its his commitment to me which prompts him never to touch any other girl. Thats our understanding and this is what I think you mean, when you say, you need to communicate!
However, I do not agree with Hari when he says, communicate and wait for it to happen again before the break up. Its like giving the guy a license to make such a grave mistake, which is not something I wud like to do.....Getting a lap dance is just as promiscous as sleeping with another woman, the feeling of lust for someone else, being the common thing here.
Its ethical for a guy not to indulge himself in any such acts towards some other woman than his gf/wife.Its the trust, its the commitment, it is the love and respect for her!
Similarly, I wud never go do "whatever it is that you wud do" in a male strip club, because I respect the love that my bf has for me and I honor our commitment towrads each other.
What I meant by communicate is that what the other feels when say one even looks at a naked woman. Define the boundaries. For instance it might be ok with a girl that her bf can look at at naked females but lap dances are a no. For some lap dances might also be ok. These must be known!
Hmm.. that's not an easy one. The question that comes to mind is, is the guy willing to risk the relationship over something like this? If it's that important to someone, then it's likely the whole situation would be avoided. But really, I think it's good that they had this problem to begin with, because obviously the relationship wasn't as strong as they thought it was. Better to see the cracks now than when they're more committed later.
I think the source of the problem is one of insecurity. And lack of consideration. A secure individual wouldn't be fazed by what men typically see as a harmless event. We're not kissing the girl, we're not trying to establish a relationship with her, none of that. It's a quick thrill that has no legs or sustainability to threaten a truly healthy relationship. Was it inconsiderate? Yeah. But was it cheating? No. Looking from the menu is not the same thing as ordering from it. We don't all live in convents and we deal with temptation every day, and I don't think he crossed that critical red line by having a lap dance.
Maybe your friend allowed her own insecurities to step in and maybe her relationship wasn't as "perfect" as everyone on the outside seemed to think it was. Maybe she was just afraid of the unknown, that maybe because her boyfriend got a lap dance from a stripper he was "attracted" to the girl.
I personally wouldn't be upset if my boyfriend got a lap dance from a stripper. He's gone to strip clubs a few times with the boys but he likes it better if we go together.
I guess it all boils down to trust. How much you trust the other person and how secure you are in the fact that the other person only wants to be you.
I dont think its right to make such a big issue out of a lap dance..The guy admitting it shows that he s committed. And well it was a bachelors party and guys will be vulnerable to do things. And he just had a lap dance nuthing else...What if the girl was an amazing salsa dancer or some kind of a dancer where the need to getting really close to her dance partner is much necessary? At that time girls expect their boyfriends to be understanding...Now I know people will say that dancing is an art and totally different issue.
Getting upset is natural I understand, but thats certainly not an issue to break up...
First of all, it's a guy's birthright to go to his buddy's bachelor party, and secondly, how can the gf even complain of cheating when it's such a widely accepted tradition, and the strippers there are exactly that...strippers. Not hookers. As long as no sex was involved, the bachelor party takes all precedence.
Hari Rajan - I agree that you can't talk about everything that could happen before it does happen. The point I was trying to make was that most couples don't spend enough time actually communicating about their personal limits and comfort levels.
Sonal - You seem pretty liberal like me with what you'll allow a guy to do. But I guess my friends felt that she was very understanding by not imposing any limits on her boyfriend. And when he crossed the line in her eyes, she freaked. This is why couples should actually TALK about everything.
DD - Haha, ya, hopefully the stipper wasn't what he was ordering off the menu!
I guess everyone is different in what they think "cheating" actually is. I do agree that it was totally inconsiderate that he did that. But they should have talked about it instead of ditching the relationship. I can see how things got out of hand, quickly for them, when their expectations didn't meet up.
Solyluna - You got it. I think it did bother her to think someone else attracted her man. You seem really secure which is great, but I think it helps that your bf wants to take you along to the strip club(so your imagination isn't wondering what he's up to.
Sanith - The lone guy who thinks the lap dance was wrong! Bachelor and Bachelorette parties shouldn't be an excuse to mess around.
Sneha - Yes, its good that he admitted it to her, but that doesn't necessarily excuse him. I do think a lap dance is much different from any other dance though. Its sole purpose is to get someone turned on. You're right though, that they shouldn't have thrown such a long term relationship down the toilet so easily.
Anonymous - Woah! You MUST be single or something. I can see a lot of guys thinking this way though, but I don't think its his "birthright" to see strippers shakin their thang. Thanks for the reply though.
Its a tight rope walk alright! I follow a simple rule.
If you can't tell her, don't do it.
If you do it, tell her, but skip the gory details of the lap dancers anatomy and what a good time you had! She is bound to feel cheated.
And if she feels cheated, you are fucked! Prepare to go through a rough patch and possibly multiple visits to the hallmark store!!
Jax - Lol..Funny and true. Guess this just proves the Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus theory!
Quite an interesting topic. What nobody seems to have pointed out is that "A Bachelor Party" is thrown for a guy who is totally committed to someone and is taking the relationship to the next level by marrying her. It is also pretty widely known that there are strippers and lap dances at a Bachelor party. I am totally assuming here. I am a girl and havent been to a Bachelor Party. I actually havent been to a Bachelorette party either. And am again assuming that the same thing happens there as well.
How is it then OK for you and your partner to have a bachelor/ bachelorette party right before you get married and it is not ok when your partner goes to someone else's party at other times??
Anon - Very true. I guess Bachelor Parties are just one of those things society's deemed acceptable even though there are questions if it truely is or not.
Check this. I guess your friends prayers have been answered...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1181526
What do you do when the lap dance stories all come back and you here that your future husband had one stripper on the back of his neck and one on the front jumping up and down?
It is really hard to get over. My idea of a lap dance is in the LAP. I was fine with it until I started to here details of what the lap dance actually was!
He should not have done it. I am so hurt, I don't even know what to do. This just happened to me a couple days ago. My bachlorette party I spent dancing with my friends. the only guy I talked to was the bartender!
Trust me, even if you say you didn't care, just wait till it happens to you.
It hurts more then anything in the world.
My BF said that he did not want to go there and yet was still forced to go there- while one of his friends (out of 22) spent money for a lap dance- TONS OF MONEY, then told me the details!
IT HURTS!
Im finally relieved to see that most of them are against it. I was recently in an argument with my husband when he said he wants to go to a strip club with his friends and have a lap dance. I am not sure if he was just joking.But I was so upset hearing that he wanted to get sexual pleasure from some other woman.No matter how much trust and love you have for each other,I feel its wrong to indulge in such things. He said it was for a change, for eg you get bored when you eat the same food over and over, and same is the case with this. I am so furious that he doesn't understand my feelings. And I was just thinking if I was the only person overreacting and that I shouldn't make a big deal of it but now I am relieved to know that I have behaved like how most of them would have. friends,what would you do if you were in such a situation?
Hi, Im giving my opinion because I took my boyfriend to a strip club last night. I let him chose a girl and paid for him to get a lap dance. I went with him into the booth to watch, 'cause I was really turned on, it was our both first time. What I expected was that the girl would be nacked and dancing sexy around him, maybe sitting down on his lap... BUT! Instead you could say it was rather a dick rub. She sat on him moving on his dick, putting her nipples in his mouth. Now he was not allowed to touch, but Im telling you, I could see on his face and in his pants how horny and rock hard he got. It turned me on, a lot. She was completly nacked and almost stuck her pussy into his face. She was putting her fingers inside her pussy, playing with herself and he was having her on his lap, infront of his nose and she continued rubbing hard in his pants, there where his hard dick was showing. Afterward we left the club and had great sex in the car. It turned me on seeing my boyfriend get turned on so much by an other woman. That was always my fantasy. But now I regret making this fantasy come true... We love one an other a lot. Now, that there is the next morning I'm feeling crap, always having the picture of my horny boyfriend and her on him in my head. I keep on thinking that he is thinking of her. He tells me that the lap dance I gave him in the car was much better, but the deamons just wont go out of my head.
If he had gone there without me, I would have been so pissed at him, because why would you want to fantasize about doing another woman if u say u love your girlfriend? That is just wrong. I would have felt betrayed. He agrees with me, he was never at a strip club before, he is also quite religious. I took him, I regret it, but it was a really orgasmic experience. And one thing I can tell u, it is very intense, because when u get a lapdance they turn him on so much by rubbing their perfect tight bodies all over u man and into ur face, on ur man’s dick, the only thing he’ll keep thinking is i wanna be in there!
So no man can tell me they just there for the fun and watching etc. Ok just being in the club & watching is more harmless, but an actual lap dance, while u have a girlfriend (who is at home) is mental cheating!
By the way, while she turned him on they both repeatedly kept on looking at me and my boyfriend told me what turned him on so much is that I really enjoyed it!
If a woman has a problem with strippers and him going to them, then she should tell him that she doesn't want him to go to the strip club and tell him why. If that man loves his woman, he will honer her feelings and not go. Men need to know what there woman's line is drawn. For me, I'm one of those women who would feel used, betrayed and hurt if my guy went to one. But he knows how I feel about them. And I trust that he wond disrespect me by going to one.
Women just need to learn to talk to there men about the boundaries in the relationship, and if he cares for the relationship he's in, then he won't betray her trust and cross the boundary line.
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