Thursday, September 01, 2005

Male Friends..Are They A Myth We've Created or Do They Exist?

I've always wondered if anyone has the answers to the age old question about women and men being friends..and only friends. I've always found it easy to hang with my guy friends and sometimes its easier to talk with them then with women (no disrespect to my womenfolk..I love you all still!).

Lets face it..men are so much more uncomplicated. Ok, I take that back..They appear to be more uncomplicated (you guys are verrrry sneaky!). If you watch any two typical guys ,who are friends, you will notice they would rather skim through the issues of Women, Sports etc all while watching Sports Center. (and drinking beer!)

Unlike us, you rarely hear them having a "whine and cheese" session about why we never called or analyzing every little ity bitty detail on whether we like them or not. I'm sure the metrosexual, openly sensitive men of 2005, do talk to their close friends about these issues, but its not something they sit on the phone and spend 3 and 1/2 gabbing about.

A typical conversation would be :

Guy 1 - "Dude, this girl I like is giving me mixed signals"
Guy 2 - "Dump her"

Or, as my guy friends say, the other most popular answer for problems de jour..is "Sleep with her". But usually, answer #2 must proceed answer #1, just in case you miss a chance for Booty.

Finito..simple answers and everything is wrapped up in a neat, clean 30 minute sitcom. They can then get back to business of which PS2 game rocks.Meanwhile, you and I are sitting on the phone for what seems like world record times, having a massive Dr Phil session on why men do the things they do.

No simplicity..just a huge complicated analysis (which rarely provides us with the answers). Sometimes I get more confused after its all said and done.

That is why I sometimes prefer talking to men. Not for all of their answers (which face it guys, are sometimes too simple and too testosterone driven), but for the fact that they don't obsess about things like we do. You can chill with a guy and talk about everything and anything..and that includes NOT having to discuss why or why not his or your love life isn't going anywhere. If you don't want to delve too deep into your personal life..no problem. No questions asked unless you're the one to talk about it first.

With chicks, if you know one of your galpals is having trouble with her Bf..if you DON'T ask, it's like you don't care (and as soon as you do, Dr Phil's session comes a ringin). Ya, we're sensitive like that. Men seem to be just more easily able to talk about life and enjoying it then we are.

Ok..so thats why I like talking to you XY Chromosome People. Talking to you guys can be very simple and stress free. Also, its nice to have a male perspective on things.

But on the topic if Men and Women can STAY friends..hmmm, the verdict is still out on that one. Yes, I have a select few male friends with whom nothing has crossed the friendship line. They haven't asked me out, I haven't returned the favor. No admission of liking on both parts. (Though I have heard rumours that they did like me at some point in our friendship. hmmm) But then there's the majority of my guy friends that I've known throughout the years..whom, though I love chatting to, have sooner or later dropped the "I like you, do you like me?" bomb. Thats when things get messy and if you're not into Mr Guy Friend, then you're bound to cause hurt feelings (cuz WHO really can answer the "Do you like me back" question tactfully?). Your relationship is forever changed and you're down one guy friend.

Sometimes, even if you aren't openly attracted to each other in the beginning. After spending time, platonically chilling together, you realize.."Hey, this guys personality rocks". Sure he bares a striking resemblance to Pee Wee Herman. Sure, you know all his annoying little habits. Sure his hair resembles Mr Clean. But the personality is the catcher! I've had guy friends who I usually wouldn't be attracted to, becoming more attractive. For me, an awesome personality is much more attractive then a pretty face. (though I'm not discounting the supermodel men..If any of you hotties are reading this..please puh lease apply!) After time, it's almost like you start looking at them differently..they start morphing from a Putz to a Stud...presto!

So basically you're doomed either way. I'm not saying that if both parties DO like each other, that it couldn't be a fabulous thing (b/c I've been there on that), but once you cross the friend line you really can't go back. Emotions are a very messy thing and once you've kissed someone they will never just be your friend (even if he kissed like a drunken jellyfish and you were traumatized by the event).

A lot of guys I've talked to on this very topic, have openly, flat out told me "There is no such thing as having a girl as a just a friend. We don't really want to waste our time, and if we're "friends" with her, we are looking for more". I've even talked to one guy who said thats his fail proof dating tactic, is to lure women in with the friend pretense so that he can appear all sensitive and date-worthy, and then he drops the "like you" bomb. He says no women can resist a guy who they trust and have gotten to know, and that playing the friend card only works to cancel out his bad points. (This smuck was talking about it like he was teaching a course!)

I guess I can sometimes be very naive about if you guys just want to be friends or not. Sometimes the supposed signals are so subtle that I can't tell if you're winking at me or have something stuck in your contact lense. Do you like me? Am I just reading into things? What are your intentions? (haha, I sound like someone's Dad on that last one!)

What it comes down to People, is Can we Girls, just be platonic with you Guys? In a way, where noone is looking for anything and the only motivation is enjoy each others company. Or are Male Friends just a wishful myth we've created?

Holla back at me and let me know what you think.. It'll be interesting to hear both male and female opinions on this...so don't be shy.

13 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey...do u live in the east coast ?? let me know :). You talk (write) a lot about men, women and stuff..interesting. If you have an email address or Yahoo IM...let me know ! Would luv to get in touch. And, yes I belong to the xy type ;-).Thanx.

6:12 PM  
Blogger Sonal said...

I agree with the fact that men are infact uncomplicated and simple creatures. They want something, they tell you. You want something you tell them...thats the end of the story!

I have all guy friends except Sneha and trust me, I have had all the experiences you have mentioned. Guys who were at one point secretly attracted to me, guys who fell head over heels for me, guys who were simply friends and treated me as one of the guys and guys who dropped bombs like "Do you like me?" suddenly after a year of great friendship and conversations et all.

It all depends on how you tackle it I guess....Much to my boyfriend's anxiety, I am still friends with all these above mentioned guys...and their is absolutely no discomfort between us. I guess it comes from being a part Saggitarian or something...dunno!

However, I dont think guys think friendship with a gal would be a waste of time if they see no prospects....there is a lot of advantage to being with a mixed group of gals and guys when u r chillin out...For one, single gals eyeing you will definitely know you are not desperate and be intrigued and also gals can introduce guys to their girl frnds which is a major benefit for the guys.

We seem to have similar views about a lot of things.email me your yahoo ID or something so we can get to know each other better!Wat say?

9:04 PM  
Blogger Ideamani said...

I think men and women can be friends and just friends ... Not in all situations though ...

Sometimes, the guy proposes just becauses he thinks its expected, not for any other reason ... Once, the girl says lets be friends, often the guy will be really relieved and they can go back to being jus friends.

If the girl/guy is clearly taken and the other has good luck in love, friendship is a lot easier

If there is a conscious decision to keep it at friendship, its not that difficult .. IMHO

5:51 PM  
Blogger desi diva said...

A Man Said, Sanith & Ideamani - Welcome to my blog world! Hope you all enjoy reading my posts.

A Man Said - Thanks for the compliment on my blog, but I'm a little unsure of leaving a personal email here for the world to see. Plus, you could be an axe murderer or something..trying to lure me in:) Haha, only joking. You're still pretty anonymous so tell me a more about yourself..like a name etc..You can keep posting me here. (plus you get to keep reading my posts..cool huh)

Sanith - Very thought provoking reply..and here, I'm thinking men only chat about the simple things in life. Your in-depth perspective proves me wrong.Finally, a guys point of view with depth!

Sonal - Girl, you and I seem to be leading the same life! Crazy that you had the same male friend problems and I did, but I'm happy for you that your bf understands and is not jealous of your continuing friendships. I'll definitely keep in touch with you, but as I said above to "A Man Said", I don't feel comfortable revealing my email etc here..hope you understand.But keep posting me and I'll do the same.

IGD- Simple and to the point. I love it!

Ideamani -The lone vote for guy/girl friendships working out. You're right that its situation specific and both people need to be very clear how they feel.

9:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i sometimes wish that the girls were in relationships, it'd be a lot easier


that said, i havent gone out with a
"friend" not sure how that dynamic would work, it'd be wierd, and messy it doesnt workout

11:20 PM  
Blogger Jax said...

Hey, this is like that question - Can India & Pakistan be friends? The answer is No. But I do have a bunch of really good Pakistani friends. Friendships happen between two individuals, and extending the question to a whole gender or country is a little unfair. Can men and women be friends? Again, the answer is No. But we all have 'friends' of the opposite sex.But yes, there are a lot of spaces you can't be treading upon to preserve that friendship. Its a conscious and mature decision both the individuals have to make to not step over these blurred lines.
These lines are much clearer when we have self-imposed constraints such as best-friend's-girlfriend, girlfriend's-friend, cousin-sister-by-relation, too-young-for-me, etc etc Otherwise like Sanith pointed out, attraction is inevitable, either one-way or mutual.

4:39 AM  
Blogger desi diva said...

Coconut Monkey - Welcome! Going out with a friend can actually be great since they know eeeeeverything about you..the good, the bad and the ugly! But the problem occurs if it doesn't workout. Then you've lost a bf/gf and a best friend. Double Whammy!

Jax - My Stalker! Who always has an interesting point of view. I actually do think India and Pakistan could become friends more easily than men and women..since in the former, I'm pretty sure, Pakistan wouldn't go on a date with India while fantasizing about the type of underwear she's wearing! Lol

10:50 AM  
Blogger desi diva said...

Dhupsaya - SEXperience Lol..You should contact Websters to add that in:) Your comment was good though and I don't think we'll ever have a black n' white answer on the whole girl/guy "lets be friend" thing.

7:07 PM  
Blogger aaziz said...

i prefer having male friends who are in love.

else sometime later, he wud either go thru the 'i love you' phase, and get really irritating, and then that would be the end of friendship!

or he would assume that i have a crush on him! and there again, end of freindship.

or our friends would all of a sudden see prospect in us, and keep on poking, and that would drive the friendship away!

8:12 AM  
Blogger desi diva said...

Aaziz - Welcome and thanks for your reply.

You're right, maybe it does make it simpler to only keep male friends who ARE in relationships.

But then again, that could cause jealousy issues with his girlfriend.

Ah! Is there ever going to be a right answer to this question?

1:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

can a guy and a girl be 'just' friends? sure they can!
my bestfriends a guy! (oopss did i forget to mention that i WAS completely head over heels in love with him? :$)Ive been asked this question a million times..ahh!
Great writing! i just came across your blog!

1:35 PM  
Blogger hunt4nothing said...

I would say the answer to that question is 'NO'. I recently had an experiance. I knew a gal as a friend since an year, started talking more and perhaps i started to read b/w the lines and asked her of any such possibilty; for which she said no, she cant have her choice and cant think of that for whatever compulsions. But we still talk to each other, more freely now as things are clear now.
So i think its bound to cross the line someday and may be unpleasent for atleast one of them. And oscar Wilde has wisely remarked as:
"Between men and women there is no friendship possible. There is passion, enmity, worship, love, but no friendship."

I think he was right there..!!
Your comments ppl..

4:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

not a simple anwer, and i say this being comletely unaccepting of my woman having any male friends. With any 2 people there is some sort of attraction that draws them together. Male of Female. It coiuld be power, admiration, attraction, comfort. I think it is also possible for a friendship between men and women to stay plutonic for a lifetime even if there is mild sexual attraction. Does the loss of a friend and other consequenses outway acting on the attraction. Often the answer is yes. The problem arrises when the consequenses dont look as high. In this case the friendship has already dwindled or the other relationship is over. AFter this, either the friendship or relationship is over. Unless money is a factor. That messes everything up.

12:59 AM  

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